Dead Rising 2 npcs Geo* 3d model to Obj converter

[bluearms]

This is geo* files in npcs.big to obj format converter.
Source included.

Required: visual studio 2005 runtime and 32bit environment

Extract data\models\npcs.big file with gibbed tools extractor.

Extract some of the big files in the npcs_big folder.

In the folder are several "geo_*Indices 0" and "geo_*Vertices 0" files.

Copy the Geo2Obj.exe to the extracted folder and open command prompt.

Change to that directory and convert each geo* pairs with
Geo2Ojb -n <name>
where name is "geo_<name>Indices 0" and "geo_<name>Vertices 0"

then you get <name>.obj

the geo files does not contain texture file name information.
So mesh, uv coordinates and vertex normal is stored in the obj.

There is other normal vectors in the geo file. But it is ignored because obj format only handle vertex normal type.

Import generated obj's into your 3d program to form complete body. They are named by group <name>

This converter only works for npcs.big.
Other big files (cineprops.big etc) use somewhat different format.

To make DR2 fully moddable. You may need Obj2Geo converter.
(not yet, I need tri-list to tri-strip algorithm which can also handle uv's and normals)

The sample picture and the related story is here.

deadrising2mods.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dr2general&action=display&thread=288

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[stvndysn]

sorry bluearms i cant understand how to use your stuff.. could you please do a video tutorial showing the flow please

[bluearms]

Nov 12, 2010 22:12:41 GMT -5 bloocobalt said:

Whenever I start the exe for it, it gives me an error, is this working for anyone?

Here's the error I've been getting:

That exe is compiled with Visual Studio 2005 in 32bit windows XP. So you need visual studio 2005 runtime and 32bit environment. If it's vista problem, You need to compile it yourself or run it in 32bit environment (in vista, how? I don't know. I am still using XP. Maybe you need 32bit visual studio 2005 runtime.)

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This is compiled with static library version of runtime library.
But it is also 32bit command line version.

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[ryan7259]

It won't work for me. It keeps saying '< was unexpected' or something similar to that. Is this what I'm supposed to type in? I already changed to the directory, so you don't need to tell me that.

Geo2Obj -n <geo_backpackShape Indices 0> <geo_backpackShape Vertices 0>
Or
Geo2Obj -n "geo_backpackShape Indices 0" "geo_backpackShape Vertices 0"

None of them work for me.

[bluearms]

Nov 20, 2010 2:32:25 GMT -5 ryan7259 said:

It won't work for me. It keeps saying '< was unexpected' or something similar to that. Is this what I'm supposed to type in? I already changed to the directory, so you don't need to tell me that.

Geo2Obj -n <geo_backpackShape Indices 0> <geo_backpackShape Vertices 0>
Or
Geo2Obj -n "geo_backpackShape Indices 0" "geo_backpackShape Vertices 0"

None of them work for me.

Use
Geo2Obj -n backpack
or
Geo2Obj "geo_backpackShape Indices 0" "geo_backpackShape Vertices 0" backpack.obj

Geo2Obj -h
gives some usage information or you can see source directly to know how it works.


There are lots of files which is part of one npc. So convert them all and load them all in a 3d program. then you get a single npc.
For example, Cinema 4d riptide plugin supports single batch load of all *.obj files in a directory.

[ryan7259]

Hmm.... 'File open error : geo_backpackShape Indices 0'
It says that for another model too.

[bluearms]

Nov 20, 2010 14:14:47 GMT -5 ryan7259 said:

Hmm.... 'File open error : geo_backpackShape Indices 0'
It says that for another model too.

Have you checked working path?
Copy geo2obj.exe to the extracted *.big directory.

This is the picture of converted backpack.obj from cast_katey_big
(Well, I am not sure uploading extracted obj is Ok in this forum)

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[bluearms]

This is the picture of command prompt which is converting all geo* files.
I misstyped zippers to zipper and it gives error. I corrected it and all converted ok.

As you can notice from the picture, I am korean. Sorry for my strange english.

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[bluearms]

This is the picture of the imported obj's in cinema 4d.

Because this is quick reply, textures are not applied.

I hopes someone make a better converter for 3dsmax. I thinks it will be easy because algorithm is simple, but i don't know about 3dsmax scripting language.

And i have to upload 3 pictures, so my post becomes 3 continuous posts. If it is banned, sorry for that.

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[ryan7259]

Thanks a whole bunch! It works now.

[ryan7259]

Also, the textures for the azu/asu soldiers are rainbowy.

[ryan7259]

Ok dammit. I need help on getting textures. That tex mod converter tool doesn't work. It turns the textures into crappy low res rainbow colors for every texture. I even tried rebecca and the textures for yours worked.

[bluearms]

Nov 21, 2010 0:02:07 GMT -5 ryan7259 said:

Ok dammit. I need help on getting textures. That tex mod converter tool doesn't work. It turns the textures into crappy low res rainbow colors for every texture. I even tried rebecca and the textures for yours worked.

just use quickbms script from this forum

deadrising2mods.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dr2tools&action=display&thread=4

The files named *_nm*.dds are for normal maps, *_cm.dds or *_cm1.dds is for colors.
the texture for eyes seems use offset parameters. directly applying texture does not fit with uv-map. This have to be analyzed more.
Some uses transparent channel for eyelash etc. corresponding dds has a alpha channel.

file "MatTextureInfoArray" has a texture map name information

For example, rebecca has 43 parts
file "MatTextureInfoArray" has 66 entries. (more than part number but smaller than 43*2, because some has more channel like normal map channel)
so some parts has normal map, transparency etc while some part has just texture map.
I think file "MatTextureInfoArray" has index of part from file "SceneDescription" where each part name is ordered.

[ryan7259]

I did use the bms script. But everything it takes is low res. What directory are the textures supposed to be in? I took the ones from the npc_big folder(where all the .big files are).

[bluearms]

Nov 21, 2010 13:43:15 GMT -5 ryan7259 said:

I did use the bms script. But everything it takes is low res. What directory are the textures supposed to be in? I took the ones from the npc_big folder(where all the .big files are).

I am not sure which size is low and which is high as you mean by low res.
The used texture is not big as compared to textures usually used in poser. (textures as large as 3000 or 4000 is common in the poser world)

But in game, shader covers it. Make it more realistic. DR2 uses lots of shaders too.
If you convert model to 3d program, you must convert materials to make it more look good~
Also many texture filtering method affects too. (MIPMAP etc)

In game, usually size 1024 belong to big texture and mainly used in body or head, size 512 is sufficient in many cases and used in some high quality graphic games, size 256 is the most common size.

[anno1404]

Bluearms wrote more about this topic here:

forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5427

dead rising 2 uses .big or .tex archives for models and textuers.
With extractor (gibbed or bms script) I can extract npcs.big file and analyzed model formats.
They use simple float and integer array files and TRI-STRIP.

For example, cast_rebecca.big in npcs.big has files named "geo_blouseShape Indices 0" and "geo_blouseShape Vertices 0"

"geo_blouseShape Vertices 0" is a float array file and size is 122,920 bytes, So the number of floats are
122920/4 = 30730 (the size of a float is 4)
"geo_blouseShape Indices 0" is a integer array file and if you convert to text using utility like od2 (http://www.gdargaud.net/Hack/BinToAscii.html), you see integers running from 0 to maximum 2194 which means it deals with 2195 points.

So you can guess 30730/2195 = 14 floats form a one point.

I found [0,1,2] modulo 14 forms a 3d mesh data.
[3, 4] modulo 14 forms a uv coordinates
[5, 6] modulo 14 always(?) zero
[7, 8, 9] modulo 14 forms a some normal
[10] modulo 14 always -1 but in other formats is seems like a weight
[11,12,13] modulo 14 forms a vertex normal which is used in obj like format

all points uses common uv and normal intex system that is the number of points for mesh, uv, normals are all equal.
To overcome the limits of this system, all part is divided to smaller parts.
So one tri-strip in "geo_blouseShape Indices 0" can handle all mesh, uv, normal in the same time.

With this analysis, I can convert all meshes in npcs.big into obj like format. (skeleton is not analyzed but it seems simple, there is only few float data in bone files, the problem is there is no suitable easy format which can contain mesh and bone data which i know of, texture information seems to be stored in another file "MatTextureInfoArray" in ordered method because each single part uses single texture.)

I tried to analyse zombies.big with this success.

But it seems use somewhat different system.

It has files something like "Combined Vertices 56" or "Combined Vertices 40"
I found 56 means 56 bytes per points that is 56/4=14 floats. 40 means 10 floats forms a point.
I thinks [7, 8, 9, 10] modulo 14 in 56-format is removed in 40-format. (with some repositioning, [5,6] modulo 14 has moved to [8,9] modulo 10.)
So vertex file structure for "Combined Vertices 56" is same with "geo_*Shape Vertices 0" type files.
But indices are very different.

For example, zombie_construction.big in zombies.bin has files "zombie_construction_2.big" "zombie_construction_3.big" "zombie_construction_4.big".

"zombie_construction_3.big" and "zombie_construction_4.big" seems like a more reduced polygon version of "zombie_construction_2.big"

each has single mesh file and it is named
"Combined Vertices 56" for "zombie_construction_2.big" and has 41566 floats means 2969 points
"Combined Vertices 40" for "zombie_construction_3.big" and has 13120 floats means 1312 points
"Combined Vertices 40" for "zombie_construction_4.big" and has 3310 floats means 331 points

The corresponding Indices file name is same as "Combined Indices 2"
But strangely
"Combined Indices 2" for "zombie_construction_2.big" has indices running from 0 to 534 (required points are 2969!)
"Combined Indices 2" for "zombie_construction_2.big" has indices running from 0 to 210 (required points are 1312!)
"Combined Indices 2" for "zombie_construction_2.big" has indices running from 0 to 330 (well it has all points)

Also it seems use a multiple textures for a combined mesh. But one mesh must use one texture in this system otherwise it is complicated with other stuff.
So i guees it is really a combined files, then maximum indices need not to be large and each part can use single texture.
But i must know wheres is the position i must cut the file.
Any help will be welcome.

- The converter for npcs.big which converts geo* file pairs to obj is uploaded at deadrising2mods.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=dr2tools&action=display&thread=354

But it only works in 32bit environment (but source is included)


Later:

Nevermind, I have found all new parts start with sequence 0, 1, 2 (seems obvious)
And file "SceneDescription" contains required part name.

[kamillho]

"copy Geo2Obj.exe to the extracted directory and open command prompt.
Change to that directory and convert each geo* pairs with
Geo2Ojb -n <name>
where name is "geo_<name>Indices 0" and "geo_<name>Vertices 0"

I dont understand this.... When I open Geo2Obj.exe I have error message...

[anno1404]

more Geo2Obj Converter pics from incredibly shitty site which is impossible to register on.

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[anno1404]

second photo from shitty site

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[tommah]

from the sounds of THAT ^ error, Geo2Obj is a 64-bit program

[kamillho]

Hi

I try convert model Rebecca in obj. model
But I have problem...

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...and what's next ? I run cmd and wrote
C:\Users\Kamil\Desktop\cast_rebecca_t1_big and nothing :/

[anno1404]

Jun 26, 2011 10:52:37 GMT -5 kamillho said:

Hi

I try convert model Rebecca in obj. model
But I have problem...

...and what's next ? I run cmd and wrote
C:\Users\Kamil\Desktop\cast_rebecca_t1_big and nothing :/

I know nothing about Geo* 3d. The editor who is still active who knows the most about this subject is mad. Maybe he can help you.

[ryan7259]

Well, chrrox released his importer for 3ds max. So, I think this is..useless? forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7152

[anno1404]

Aug 12, 2011 7:14:48 GMT -5 ryan7259 said:

Well, chrrox released his importer for 3ds max. So, I think this is..useless? forum.xentax.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7152

What is useless?

thanks for the news.

sigh, it is on that crappy site xentax, which is a site that is impossible to register on. The stupid site won't let me download unless I register. I tried to register before and was never able to. I will try to register, download, then upload here.

chrrox writes:

Dead Rising 2 Model Loader.
Extract the .big file so you get the geo files then run this script on that folder and it will import them all.
thanks to help from reveal8n
no weights yet till i figure out the bone pallet.

Attached is the file from xentax.com. I am unable to open this file on this computer. All I know it is a rar file and it is very small (2kb)

Picture on site which you can only see if registered:

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[ryan7259]

Well the Geo2OBJ program is useless for max users since chrrox released this. If you need the obj for another program, then I guess its still useful for getting models.



sigh

[anno1404]

Aug 12, 2011 16:38:12 GMT -5 ryan7259 said:

Well the Geo2OBJ program is useless for max users since chrrox released this. If you need the obj for another program, then I guess its still useful for getting models.

thanks again. I don't understand any of this, but it looks promising.

[ryan7259]

Someone should try finding out how to fix the textures.

[anno1404]

Aug 12, 2011 19:20:54 GMT -5 ryan7259 said:

Someone should try finding out how to fix the textures.

unfortunately, no one on this community has those skills that i am aware of . I will email the people who talked about this months ago and invite them too.

Update:

I emailed top and blue arms. Mind making a tutorial like similar to what top did? explaining how you got as far as you did. Please make the tutorial very basic. A video would be ideal.

[ryan7259]

Well, that sucks... so there's no way to fix them?

[ryan7259]

Thanks! I used Camtasia Studio 7.